Natalie 2 Skeleton failure

[Phil]

The failure happened during the last shoot. I wanted a pic of the full skeleton so I would have a good idea of how she can move, but I never received one.

I sent the attached video to Patric a few days ago, haven't heard back yet. 

It seems as though the hip joint is welded to a pipe that goes straight up to a cross piece in her mid section where the break is.

I don't know what I am going to do about it yet, going to let some time pass before doing anything.

Phil

[Phil]

Having difficulty posting the video clip.

[Phil]

Trying again...  The break is higher up than where my hand pats her belly, you can see the movement of the end of the "bone."    I figure to cut along the seam at the side of her torso, figure from there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp-ii5kL_S0

[Smoke]

When you click on the link , it says the video is private, unavailable. At least on my end.

[Ceej]

Same here.

[Phil]

Third time s a charm, right?

https://youtu.be/IdJZatvBrxA

[Dewyn]

It works for me now, the video is no longer indicated as unavailable.

[Phil]

This skeleton is supposed to be a JY.  It has the same, or so I deduce, configuration to the hips and mid section as my spinner's.   

I've not yet cut into her, I won't know for certain what I will facing until I do, but It looks as though the join in the circled space has come undone. 



Has anyone here had a similar situation to deal with? 

I am open to suggestion!

Phil

[Smoke]

I am so sorry this has happened to Natalie Phil.     

I have had a broken spine on a Sinthetics doll. I didn't have to worry about cutting her open as the incision was already made for me   . It made for a very messy close. 

One question would be. Is her skeleton all metal tubing or is it PVC plastic?  Her joints could be metal but the bones could be plastic PVC pipe. I can't see an all metal skeleton breaking unless a  bolt in a joint came out. Or the welds are really shitty.

If this picture is a true depiction of her skeleton , the area that is circled looks like it could be a welded joint . I can't see a welded joint breaking unless it was an extremely shitty weld.  I wonder if there is a bolted joint there that came apart  OR  the back joint to the right of the circle came apart .If your lucky the bolt in the back joint may have come out. That at least would be a much easier fix then a broken weld on that hip. One way that may tell the tale  is to hold her by the shoulders and move them side to side or back and forth. and place another hand down by the small of her back. If that lower back joint has come apart you should feel the spine moving around in that area .

Either way, it's major surgery as you already know. My heart goes out to you and Natalie. 

[Begog]

That's a metal skeleton, and unless it's detached at the BOLT in the center, you have a broken frame. TPE has a very low melting point, so welding is out of the question, but JB Weld might work. If successfully fixed, she will have significant scarring. So, you want to make as clean a cut as possible so the scar is not too ghastly. I'd go in from the back. If a reasonably stout fix that can withstand your requirements cannot be obtained, I'd say it's time for another body. Good luck!

[Phil]

That's a metal skeleton, and unless it's detached at the BOLT in the center, you have a broken frame. TPE has a very low melting point, so welding is out of the question, but JB Weld might work. If successfully fixed, she will have significant scarring. So, you want to make as clean a cut as possible so the scar is not too ghastly. I'd go in from the back. If a reasonably stout fix that can withstand your requirements cannot be obtained, I'd say it's time for another body. Good luck!

Thanks for the input Begog.  I have a very sharp filet knife I've been thinking about using since a razor would require many cuts leaving many facets which would compound scarring. Though the knife would probably do the same. On chat the other night it was suggested that drilling and installing 90 degree steel brackets might work.  I hadn't thought of JB weld, maybe a combination of JB and brackets applying JB to the inside as well as outside of the piping.

Phil

[Begog]

You're welcome. Drilling and bolting could also work, but however you fix it, it needs to not make noise, come loose, or need to be repaired again any time soon. The scar is what you have to live with. Mahtek has found some TPE glue that dries soft. Find the spot and go straight in. Good luck, friend.

[Phil]

She's silicone, so that part shouldn't be a problem.  I like your idea to go in from the back, that would have access be easier for drilling.

[Phil]

Picked up a Lifetime table today from Costco, taped my Thermarest air mattress to it so it won't slip off. I'll lay a bedsheet over the top, this ought to make an adequate operating table.

[Phil]

She's a mess in there.  The weld actually held, at least in some places.  The frame was bending, possibly cracking the weld at some point until the frame was fatigued enough to snap. 

I asked patrick for a photo of the skeleton so I'd know how the skeleton moves, that would've been a big help. He sent a pic of her shoulders, and that was a help, but nothing else. Needless to say, I am miffed. If I had known more about the frame, This may not have happened, but here we are.

There is no clean break to fix.