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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2023, 02:10:07 PM »

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Feedback please.  Be honest.  ::)



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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2023, 09:44:58 PM »
I think she's a close likeness. Very beautiful. The hair, especially the bangs, frame her face differently than it does on the model. A simple enough thing to change.

There does seem to be a few subtle differences but I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it might be the outline of her upper lip. Back in the 80's a lot of models would put their lipliner on in such a way that it goes past their natural lip line a little, making their lips appear fuller. And to me it does appear that the model's lips are done that way, where as the sculpt's lips follow what looks like what the model's natural lip line might be.


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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2023, 09:57:05 PM »
Bigger boobs.

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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2023, 01:24:34 AM »
I think she's a close likeness. Very beautiful. The hair, especially the bangs, frame her face differently than it does on the model. A simple enough thing to change.

There does seem to be a few subtle differences but I can't quite put my finger on it. I think it might be the outline of her upper lip. Back in the 80's a lot of models would put their lipliner on in such a way that it goes past their natural lip line a little, making their lips appear fuller. And to me it does appear that the model's lips are done that way, where as the sculpt's lips follow what looks like what the model's natural lip line might be.


Ceej.

Thanks for the feedback Ceej.  (())

You  are definitely right about the bangs and hair framing her face.  My very first impression was that the nose is huge. But I think that is the way my computer monitor is set to display the lighting, colours and whatever.  . I Transfer the picture over too my tablet and ran it through faceapp to apply the make up how I want it. On my tablet the nose looks fine. I guess once I get my eye on the actual head then I will know for sure.

I want them to darken the eye makeup  similar to this.




Just with the darker eye makeup she looks better.


Bigger boobs.

Funny you should say that Camp, because that's coming up next.   ;D
 
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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2023, 02:47:04 AM »
Wow! you nailed it with the makeup  8)
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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2023, 01:21:39 PM »
Wow! you nailed it with the makeup  8)

Yeah, the makeup really makes a difference. 

As you stated about the lipstick, I think if you did the upper lip like the model ,that would make another big difference. I'm going to see if I can figure out how do that with faceapp. :whistle:

I think if you gave Bronwen that head to makeup , you wouldn't be able to see a difference between the Doll head and the Model. ;D




OK.  So, I posted earlier the first pics they came up with for the body sculpt.  They nailed the overall body pretty well , but there were a few details I wasn't 100% on.  So, after some more communication about the details, this is what they came up with .

The breasts were one issue. They were just a bit small and I asked them to tweak them a bit.  Also the nipples were not true to the actual model.


 First try.










Second. Breasts.









Nipples.
The model has an inverted nipple.






 Fly ball out to center and over the fence!  :thumb:
I think they really nailed it. I hope it turns out as good in silicone as it does in the digital sculpt . :egyptian:





Buttocks.

They tweaked her ass ever so slightly . I didn't ask them to do this , however I do like it.  :thumb:


 First.






Second.






The sweet garden down below.


I wanted her girly bits to have more detail. I think they did a good job.  :P   Once again. Silicone will tell the tale.  :whistle:









So the final details with the body have been sorted out.  Now it's off to make the mold and see what comes out.  :whistle:








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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2023, 09:45:01 PM »
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As you stated about the lipstick, I think if you did the upper lip like the model ,that would make another big difference. I'm going to see if I can figure out how do that with faceapp

That's kinda what I was suggesting in a round about way.....I look forward to seeing what you come up with.


They definitely nailed the boobs on the second attempt...and over all she looks fantastic!   8) 8) 8)
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Sandy is a wonderful B6 Classic Realdoll, and Nicole is a sweet Realdoll Petite 5.  Close sisters, they both share classic F1 faces as well as all the classic F1 expression faces. Sandy also has several sets of reusable "Real Breast" prosthetics.     Julie, Christine, Emma, Kiki and their friends are sexy little Phicen micro-babes.

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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #37 on: August 18, 2023, 02:09:25 PM »
I played around with faceapp for a while. It seems I can't thicken the upper lip much if at all. There is a lips modification menu but all that seems to do is darken the colour rather then actually thicken the lips.This was the best I could come up with.











I also tried changing the hair style with FA.No matter what I tried it would not open up the bangs on the forehead.   So I can't change the way the hair is framing the face.  ::)



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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2023, 10:42:40 PM »
Well, everything you try brings her closer and closer to the real model!

She's looking good my friend!   8) 8) 8)
" Leaving it to the imagination "     is highly overrated.




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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2023, 10:50:18 PM »
If that is the actual head WOW. Ya she is a knock out. I think the whole package together is gonna be a killer. Smoke so happy for you my bud.  :heart: :heart: :heart: :egyptian: :egyptian: :egyptian: :drool: :drool: :drool:

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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2023, 01:50:13 AM »
Well, everything you try brings her closer and closer to the real model!

She's looking good my friend!   8) 8) 8)


Thanks Ceej.  (())

I need to stop obsessing, but I wish I could nail down exactly what isn't right. They nailed the digital sculpt but something is slightly off in silicone. It's close but not quite there.  I don't have an artists eye to be able to identify it.





If that is the actual head WOW. Ya she is a knock out. I think the whole package together is gonna be a killer. Smoke so happy for you my bud.  :heart: :heart: :heart: :egyptian: :egyptian: :egyptian: :drool: :drool: :drool:


Thanks DM.  (())


That is one of the pics they sent me of the head. I have asked them to to do some makeup adjustments but that is the head. Overall It turned out well and I can live with it. But something is a bit off.  ???
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2023, 09:05:07 AM »
"   I need to stop obsessing    "

This is a very big investment for you, and I'm not just talking money. So while she's under development, this is the time to be absolutely sure everything is right.  So it's perfectly natural and ok to obsess.



"   I wish I could nail down exactly what isn't right. They nailed the digital sculpt but something is slightly off in silicone. It's close but not quite there.  I don't have an artists eye to be able to identify it.   "

Personally, I think its pretty much all makeup, hair and lighting at this point.  Also consider that we're comparing an almost un made up face, to one that is fully made up. Have a peek at before and after pics of women with and without their makeup and you'll see what I mean.

Here are a few subtleties with how the sclupt is originally displayed,  that could be at play here:

Hair:
One thing that stands out is the sculpts head appears rounder, but this is strictly because of the bangs on the wig she's shown in, and not an issue with the sculpt.
Also the wig hides most of her eyebrows, which is also a big factor.
Once you put a wig on her that's closer to the model's, it will lengthen her head and reveal those eyebrows, making her look that much closer to the model!
I think this is going to make a HUGE difference here, because this will completely change the outline and shape of the sculpts head, making it like the model's


"   I played around with faceapp for a while. It seems I can't thicken the upper lip much if at all.  "

Makeup:
Personally, I think the thickness of the lips is right. What appears to be the biggest difference to me is the contour of her upper lip line.  Looking close at the model's pics, I think the sculpt is right on to the model's natural lip line. The difference I see is in how the model is made up. Specifically the line from the center "divit" to the corner. It appears to be a straighter line on the model's lip liner than the sculpt.
At this point, I think this is very subtle now when looking at your last pics.



"   My very first impression was that the nose is huge.    "

Lighting and makeup may have an effect here as well:
The width of the bridge and the tip of the nose of the sculpt might be a little wider than the model. If so, I think a little subtle shading with makeup will bring that closer to how the model's nose is made up.
 
To see what I'm thinking, have a peek at makeup videos where women use subtle shading to narrow their noses. And it may very well be that the model's makeup might also be done this way.

Again, at this point, I think this is pretty subtle when looking at your last pics.




Something else to consider,
As we have seen many times, no two doll heads of the same model number, turn out perfectly alike. Even if photos are sent in to have one copied. There's always some subtle differences in the makeup.  The only way I've ever seen two doll heads of the same model number turn out as 100% perfect twins is if they are made, and made up at the same time by the same artist.

Also, do you have shots of the model from other photosets, especially where her makeup and hair are different. If so, compare those to the examples you show here. It's possible you might even see some noticeable differences there.



All in all, This is very cool and exciting!  I will say this again because I think you are on the right track. Every step you made with your virtual makeup attempts brought your doll's head much closer and closer to the real model. Your just fine tuning the the sculpt the way a makeup artist fine tunes a model's morning face to her made up face.



Congratulations my friend! You have a very sexy babe on her way to you soon!  8)

Cheers my good buddy!  :)  :cheers:   8)
" Leaving it to the imagination "     is highly overrated.




Sandy is a wonderful B6 Classic Realdoll, and Nicole is a sweet Realdoll Petite 5.  Close sisters, they both share classic F1 faces as well as all the classic F1 expression faces. Sandy also has several sets of reusable "Real Breast" prosthetics.     Julie, Christine, Emma, Kiki and their friends are sexy little Phicen micro-babes.

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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2023, 10:13:35 AM »
I played with my photo edit program a little to see if I can change her hair. I have to apologize here as this is pretty rough, and flat. Blending skin tones and such by hand with photo eddit is not the easiest thing to do. But this may give you a little help visualizing her with the right wig on.



" Leaving it to the imagination "     is highly overrated.




Sandy is a wonderful B6 Classic Realdoll, and Nicole is a sweet Realdoll Petite 5.  Close sisters, they both share classic F1 faces as well as all the classic F1 expression faces. Sandy also has several sets of reusable "Real Breast" prosthetics.     Julie, Christine, Emma, Kiki and their friends are sexy little Phicen micro-babes.

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« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2023, 01:01:14 PM »
... I wish I could nail down exactly what isn't right. They nailed the digital sculpt but something is slightly off in silicone. It's close but not quite there.  I don't have an artists eye to be able to identify it.
... But something is a bit off.  ???
Okay, I think it's time for me to interject my two cents.

My very first impression was that the nose is huge.
That was my first thought too.

I think the nose is the main issue, but with very minuscule adjustments.  The nose ridge is a fraction too wide and slightly too long giving it that "huge" impression.  The philtrum (groove between the upper lip and nose) is a fraction too short.  By shortening the vertical length of the nose and adding that amount to the philtrum I think that will make a difference without affecting the relationship between the eyes and the mouth which looks perfect.

The other thing that I see is the width of the jaw.  It is slightly squarer in the sculpt versus more of a taper in the model.

We are talking of millimeters or fractions thereof for these adjustments.  Maybe 1 mm narrower on each side for the jaw, shorten the nose and extend the philtrum by maybe 0.5 mm, and narrow the width of the nose ridge by maybe 0.5 mm.

Note: I used Canadian units of measure instead of normal ones out of respect for our northern compadres
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Re: Smoke's Laboratory . Where no doll has gone before.
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2023, 07:34:30 PM »
Ceej and Doc.

I want to thank you both for your valued input.  (()) (())

Doc. I think you have described  better then I could have ever formed into words what I am seeing as wrong. Now that you have said that.  :cheers:

Ceej you are also right about the make-up as I have been obsessively playing with face app make-up for most of the afternoon.  :cheers:

I have got the makeup to the point where if they do the make up like this pic , it's close enough to the model that I will be over the moon. This makeup ,  I think , makes the nose appear slightly smaller from a Canookistanian 
with one metric eye.

If it can't be adjusted with a BFH and a pair of vice grips, I'm kinda lost,eh?  ::)





If they can pull this off, I will be extremely happy.  :D

End of obsessing. ( for today anyway.)    ;D




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